Trying to prove to my city darts aren't toxic in captivity

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  1. Scarloc

    Scarloc Contributing Member

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    Re: Trying to prove to my city darts aren't toxic in captivi

    To add and get some more legitimate sites http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/Repti ... rtfrog.cfm not toxic in captivity, http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/a ... dart-frog/ raised in captivity never develop venom, http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/a ... ison-frog/ never develop venom for all dart frogs. For goldens http://www.durrell.org/animals/amphibia ... dart-frog/ poison decreases in strength. http://news.mongabay.com/2005/0809-frogs.html lose the poison due to diet and have different alkaloids if given different diets. http://www.pnas.org/content/101/21/7841 ... edaada0b5c bactrotoxins mostly seems like from diet but needs more study. http://www.pnas.org/content/92/1/9.abst ... f_ipsecsha come from diet or unknown dietary source. http://www.pnas.org/content/100/19/1109 ... edaada0b5c very nice one though gets a little too technical. About Melyrid beetles http://www.pnas.org/content/101/45/1585 ... edaada0b5c

    Most of these last ones are proper papers and have source links at the bottom to additional information.
     
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    "Venom is the general term referring to any variety of toxins used by certain types of animals that inject it into their victims by the means of a bite or a sting. Unlike poison, which is ingested or inhaled into the victim's tract, administration of venom is usually directed into the lymphatic system itself for faster action."
     
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    I remember in Biology it was venom is for eating things poison is to not be eaten.
     
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    I think this topic has gone way of topic, RangerElisa ask for help she got it with several arguments and artcles she could use to help in her fight.
    Whether she win is not relevant, she wants to try and applaud her for it.
    Debating the difference between venomous and poisionus is a none ending debate with no right answer.
     
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    I think the best advice I can give and a wonderful statement I stood by with the BC bylaw... "Its not what you know, its what you can prove". Be polite, being aggressive will result in a loss of communication. I would recomend you compile a couple papers which support your opinion and attach those to an email with your case.

    As a side, when I mean papers I refer to peer reviewed papers (ie: known authors published in a reputable scientific journal.)

    Im going to leave the rest of this argument since I think what I wrote earlier sums up my opinion on the subject.
     
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    That is the thing, why would it matter if they could become poisonous through some special diet of feeding them South american termites dusted with alkaloids to make them toxic again? There are much easier ways to make poisons and toxins. Heck I could own a dog and make it aggressive by feeding it gunpowder or give it rabies if I wanted to making it much deadlier.
     
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    In regards to this I have the permits for these toads and my dart frogs. I want everyone else to be able to have them too. I know how toxic a cane toads is and a rococo is even more so but I have no problem with getting permits for these guys. I just feel that there laws here are far to strict and they are banning everything they can think of reptile wise without thinking... Why can you have a fire salamander when they carry a toxin too but no one has ban them? Some of there laws make no sense I think if you have papers to prove that they are not imported we should be allowed to keep them as well as if they really want to get picky about why can't they just make a law you have to register your frogs like you do I dog. Instead they are saying yes you can keep them but if we catch you we will fine you.
     
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    Thank you Drew actually I am taking my case to the mayor :) in hopes I will win in Saskatoon we have a huge reptile community here when i did my show here 95% of the people who came to the exhibit didn't even know what a dart frog was and thought they were plastic toys! as Well as i run a reptile show I am in the public eye there is no hiding I have darts I am a favorite place for fish and wildlife to show up to check for permits can't go anywhere without them :p
     
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    Oh Scarloc that is the exact law no venomous reptiles and amphibians. YOU CANT Even have an emperor scorpion here and iv been hit by there stinger before hurts no more then a bee sting yet you can't have them here I have to have a permit for them too it silly yet one of our pet stores has fire salamanders and you can own a pink toe and rosy haired tarantula sometimes I get very confused reading there laws!
     
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    This is to everyone. I love darts and so does my man we want to be able to share our hobby with other people as it was shared with me! We are hopping by educating Saskatoon and the city council they will see that these little guys are not something to fear and are a great hobby and not only is a great pet but can at the same time teach you how to make a mini "Eco system" so to speak, how many teenagers know how to do that? And these kids interested in these beautiful frogs could be out doing crack instead of making sure they make a culture so there frogs have food!
    As I say in my show all the time. Education is key and but if we never do anything with what we are taught then how is it helping anyone or anything? If no one ever has a interest in having one as a pet and in turn then knowing what they need to live what's to stop them later on in helping crush the frogs natural habitat?
    Even I it takes me a year every effort I make to have the darts legalized here in Saskatoon is worth it for me. just as in time a want them to lift the ban on boas and pythons here. I love my pets! There is such thing as a dangerous pet but it starts with stupid owners! They just need the education to help them realize that and a couple nudges in the right direction on how to make a proper system instead of just banning everything!
    Thanks for all your support and helpful links on this situation!
     
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    Best wishes from Laura and myself, Elisa. :)
     
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    Hope it works out for you!!!!


    hmm...at my school.....1 in 450+ :p
     

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