About to start a new build

Discussion in 'Dart Frogs General' started by Carlos, Jan 27, 2016.

  1. Bernie Hale

    Bernie Hale Contributing Member

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    Thanks,but there hasn't been any progress in almost a year. Might have to buy a break so I can bend up the aluminum myself...been waiting too long.
     
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    Very nice job on the background!
     
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  3. Drew

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    Make sure those pots in the background have a place to drain, otherwise they will become plant coffins.
     
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    I poke holes down into the background to create a drain. I hope that's enough drainage. It's what I've done in my other vivs too. Seems to work so far.


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    Ya as long as you don't have standing water in the pots you're good to go.
     
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    As long as the water is not going behind the background as it will pull it off the glass eventually

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  7. Carlos

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    What are you guys all using for your substrate and where are you getting it?
     
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    Orchid bark and coarse ground cork

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    Go to holland garden on fairview. They have fir bark, coco coir, sphagnum and horticultural charcoal. The fir bark (orchid bark) should be the bulk of the substrate, like 80% of the mix. Mix in a small amount of coco and sphagnum and sprinkle in a bit of charcoal. Boom.
     
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    Great thanks guys.


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  11. Carlos

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    Dumb question but your not talking about the orchid pre made mixes they have are you?


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    No not the premade mix. They sell small and large bags of plain fir bark. They do have mixed bags of fir bark with perlite and sphagnum but I prefer to just buy plain myself.
     
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    Sometimes pet stores are cheaper

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    Holland is 20% off in winter.
     
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    Now I'm a little confused. You I just use coarse coconut fiber and the fine stuff and mix. That's all I can find at the pet stores. And maybe add some spagnum miss too?


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    Do not use coco fibre as a main substrate. It does not drain. The fir bark is large chunks that allow drainage and air exchange. The small amount of coco fibre and sphagnum isn't even required but helps hold moisture.

    Drew mentioned pet stores because you can find 'bark' at some of them.
     
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    I have a few half bags of coco bark at my house could I use that and mix some coco fiber and spagnum in?
    I mad the mistake on my first vivs of just using coco fiber it seems to work fine. But I will change them out as I see fit. Just want to use the right stuff this time out. Lol


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    Yes bark (large chunks) is going to drain and breath much better than fine fiber. Just try to keep the bark as the main component and mix in a bit of fiber and sphagnum.

    Fiber by itself 'works' - it just doesn't drain/breath well, so you can easily end up with a soggy anaerobic mess (aka stinky mud puddle).
     
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    I've used just coco fiber in lots of my vivs as the main ingredient in my substrate with no problems as long as you have a good drainage layer.

    It is better to make a soil alternative that drains well like ABG mix which usually consists of 2 parts fine orchid bark 2 parts fine tree fern fiber 2 parts milled sphagnum 1 part fine charcoal 1 part peat moss
     
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    Great thanks guys.

    On a side note if anyone is playing to order some of those jungle dawn LEDs in the future let me know i would like to get in on the deal too.
     

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